Hey Mark. Thanks for taking the time to be available.

howdy, Paul!

no problem

how can I help you today?

I'm hoping that you can give me some advice

never get involved in a land war in Asia

oh, no, wait, you were probably expecting some Android-specific advice

haha

I've been trying just-about every lazy image loader I can find on the web. I have tried droid-fu/ignition, fedor's lazylist, ImageDownloader from the SDK Samples, and a few others. None of these are great, and I know that you have abandoned your implementation...

anyway, go right ahead

mine was probably worse than the others

Many of these work great in some ways, but almost-all do not actually provide "smooth" scrolling.

have you tried StrictMode to see where the stutters are coming from?

I am using ViewHolder patterns, minimizing work in adapters, etc, but cannot get a smooth list working,

I can see that it is the cache hits for some, the constant calls to notifyDataSetChanged for others

"constant calls to notifyDataSetChanged()" ?

I am planning to roll my own, using the best aspects of many of these, but I was wondering if you know of a good implementation/library out there

I haven't searched recently

and so I don't have a suggestion right now

yeah, droid-fu/ignition calls notifyDataSetChanged on the list view every time it loads an image

that's ridiculous

insane

(btw, howdy, Maria!)

Okay, well it was worth a shot. Looks like its time to roll up the sleeves...

I just haven't had a need for lazy-image loading in my own work since around 2009

hi

Maria: your turn -- do you have a question?

Thanks anyway Mark!

No, I'm just hanging out

OK

well, if either of you come up with more questions, chime in

otherwise, we'll see if anyone else stops by

I had a minor issue with the warescription site.

only a minor one? I must be having a good day

:-)

anyway, what was the problem?

I am registered with my gmail account. When trying to log in today, I tried to connect with my Google OpenID. It recognized and authenticated correctly, but did not connect to my existing account

actually, your user ID would appear to be ipaulpro\

(er, ipaulpro)

unless I have more than one Paul Burke as a subscriber

right, but my email on the account is gmail - i figured it would have recognized me -- my mistake

no, I just check on the user ID

gotcha

howdy, Jeff!

Hello, Mark.

Jeff: how can I help you today?

What are your recommendations for debugging Android during application development, for a non-Eclipse user?

aside from LogCat ;-)

um, well, there isn't a lot

hierarchyviewer is certainly useful

and you can still use standalone DDMS for things like collecting method traces and heap dumps

but if you're looking for an Eclipse-ish symbolic debugger, the only one I know of is Eclipse

but nothing for introspection?

so it's probably worth learning Eclipse for that feature alone?

if by "introspection" you mean setting breakpoints and examining objects in runnign code, Eclipse can do that, and perhaps IDEA or NetBeans, but that'll be it

standalone Java debuggers went the way of the dodo about a decade or so ago, as I recall

what about jdb?

um, in theory, Android supports that Java debugging protocol (JWDP? I forget the name)

my last Java programming was during the Y2K era ;-)

and so, in theory, any compliant debugger should work

however, I suspect the cross-section of jdb users and Android developers is not huge

ok, thanks

Eclipse can be a very powerful tool for Android developers... when it works. Also, if you're totally new to Eclipse, check out Motorola's MotoDev Studio.

(Mark, I hope you don't mind me chiming in)

no, go right ahead

sure, thanks

advantages of MotoDev?

It

soryy

it adds a bunch more wizards and tools to the Eclipse/ADT combo

right

things like live SQLite database manipulation, grids to help you visualize your string translations, and so on

ah, it's the wizards that drive me crazy. :-) I'm trying to stay in emacs.

Oh, that may be opposite of what you want -- sorry.

yeah, if your objective is to stay away from IDE frou-frou, MOTODEV Studio for Android is the wrong direction

OTOH, Java went strong for IDEs, particularly Eclipse, since the Y2K era

so non-IDE solutions for things like debuggers withered on the vine

this doesn't mean you *have* to use an IDE -- I didn't start using Eclipse until last April

It kinda makes sense in the Java environment, I'm sure.

if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask!

Mark, love your books. I'm only 3 days into it, but very happy with the material. Bye, for now.

glad you like 'em!

Same here. I am completely self-taught, and your books are the basis of my Android knowledge.

I'm happy they are proving useful

Thanks again, Mark.

sure, no problem!

Thanks Mark

you're very welcome

any last questions?

OK, well, have a pleasant day!

You too.